Between Here + There
Late afternoon light across a Lake Michigan dune, marram grass in the foreground and open water beyond.

For the space between here and there.

A new podcast for people navigating life’s pivots — career changes, identity shifts, and the quiet sense that something no longer fits.

The podcast

The first conversations arrive this fall

Episode artwork for ‘What is this? Conversation about life pivots’ — Michael and Brian smiling on the brand’s deep green ground.

What is this?

Coming Fall 2026

Michael and Brian introduce Between Here + There, a community for people navigating life pivots, burnout, uncertainty, and reinvention. 

Episode artwork for ‘Brian’s Story: A journey to authenticity’ — Brian smiling on a deep lake blue ground.

Brian’s Story

Coming Fall 2026

Brian shares how grief, burnout, divorce, and career upheaval led him to release the life he thought he wanted and rediscover authenticity, contentment, and the courage to build a life that truly feels like his own.

Episode artwork for ‘Michael’s Story: All things must pass’ — Michael mid-thought on a warm hearthstone brown ground.

Michael’s Story

Coming Fall 2026

After surviving trauma and outgrowing the success he once chased, Michael Sanders shares how he pivoted toward a life built on purpose, peace, and deeper fulfillment.

Episode links for Apple Podcasts, Spotify and YouTube will appear here the day the show launches. Join the list and you’ll hear first.

The founders

Two careers, one quiet question

We’re Michael and Brian. We met in a yoga teacher training after leaving successful corporate careers, and discovered we were asking the same quiet question: is this it? Between Here & There is what came next — a place to navigate life’s pivots with grounded yogic wisdom and real-world clarity. ‘Here’ is where you’ve been. ‘There’ is where you’re headed. The real work happens in the between — and that’s the space we hold.

“Every pivot starts as a feeling.”
Michael & Brian, hosts
Michael Sanders in the podcast studio’s bookshelf corner, mid-conversation, gesturing toward his unseen co-host under a boom microphone.

Michael Sanders

From tech to teacher

Brian Di Bartolomeo smiling mid-conversation by the studio window, one hand open toward his unseen co-host.

Brian Di Bartolomeo

From corporate to community

Gather

From a podcast to a place

Now · The podcast

It starts with a conversation

Michael and Brian share their own pivot stories, then open the mic to guests in the middle of theirs.

First episodes arrive Fall 2026

Two people in Adirondack chairs, deep in conversation at the edge of the woods.

Next · Online community & gatherings

Space to process

Not more advice — walk-and-talk coaching, breathwork and small-group conversations, online first.

Taking shape after launch

Two people walking a sandy forest trail together, deep in conversation.

Someday · The campus

A place to arrive

Somewhere quiet and wooded near Saugatuck — a retreat built with the community that gathers here first.

The long-term vision · West Michigan

A small group gathered around a fire on a Lake Michigan point at dusk.