Between Here + There
Late afternoon light across a Lake Michigan dune, marram grass in the foreground and open water beyond.

For the space between here and there.

A new podcast for people navigating life’s pivots — career changes, identity shifts, and the quiet sense that something no longer fits.

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The podcast

Conversations from the in-between

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The Messy Middle

Something ended and the next thing hasn’t started. Brian and Michael on the messy middle of a life pivot: why you can’t rush it, why it’s rarely linear, and the tools that kept them steady while they were in it.

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Common Threads

Michael and Brian put their two pivot stories side by side: the five threads they had in common, the two things that were nothing alike, and the pattern underneath both.

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Michael’s Story

After surviving trauma and outgrowing the success he once chased, Michael Sanders shares how he pivoted toward a life built on purpose, peace, and deeper fulfillment.

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The founders

Two careers, one quiet question

We’re Michael and Brian. We met in a yoga teacher training after leaving successful corporate careers, and discovered we were asking the same quiet question: is this it? Between Here & There is what came next — a place to navigate life’s pivots with grounded yogic wisdom and real-world clarity. ‘Here’ is where you’ve been. ‘There’ is where you’re headed. The real work happens in the between — and that’s the space we hold.

“Every pivot starts as a feeling.”
Michael & Brian, hosts
Michael Sanders in a faded plaid western shirt and grey jeans, in a leather chair in the pale pine podcast studio, mid-conversation, one hand open toward Brian beside a boom microphone, forest through the tall window behind him.

Michael Sanders

From tech to teacher

Brian Di Bartolomeo in a leather chair in the same pale pine podcast studio, mid-conversation, one hand raised toward Michael, a boom microphone at his side and forest through the window.

Brian Di Bartolomeo

From corporate to community

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From a podcast to a place

Now · The podcast

It starts with a conversation

Michael and Brian share their own pivot stories, then open the mic to guests in the middle of theirs.

First episodes arrive Fall 2026

Two people in Adirondack chairs, deep in conversation at the edge of the woods.

Next · Online community & gatherings

Space to process

Not more advice — walk-and-talk coaching, breathwork and small-group conversations, online first.

Taking shape after launch

Two people walking a sandy forest trail together, deep in conversation.

Someday · The campus

A place to arrive

Somewhere quiet and wooded near Saugatuck — a retreat built with the community that gathers here first.

The long-term vision · West Michigan

A small group gathered around a fire on a Lake Michigan point at dusk.