The Messy Middle
Something ended and the next thing hasn’t started. Brian and Michael on the messy middle of a life pivot: why you can’t rush it, why it’s rarely linear, and the tools that kept them steady while they were in it.
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Common Threads
Michael and Brian put their two pivot stories side by side: the five threads they had in common, the two things that were nothing alike, and the pattern underneath both.
Michael’s Story
After surviving trauma and outgrowing the success he once chased, Michael Sanders shares how he pivoted toward a life built on purpose, peace, and deeper fulfillment.
Brian’s Story
Brian shares how grief, burnout, divorce, and career upheaval led him to release the life he thought he wanted and rediscover authenticity, contentment, and the courage to build a life that truly feels like his own.
Welcome to Between Here + There
Michael and Brian introduce Between Here + There, a podcast community for people navigating life pivots, burnout, uncertainty, and reinvention.