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EP 06 ·

Ka Wai’s Story

Who Am I Now?

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Ka Wai Cheung spent 18 years building a software company. The day he sold it, he felt relief. Then, almost straight away, a harder question showed up: who am I now?

In our first guest episode, Ka Wai tells Michael and Brian what happened when the plan ran out. In the same few months he became a full-time dad to two young kids, finished a years-long home renovation, started driving his father-in-law to his appointments three days a week, and welcomed a cousin moving over from Hong Kong. He was doing a lot, and very useful, but he wasn’t feeling useful. Somewhere in there, he lost himself.

What came next wasn’t a new title. It was learning to live in the next five minutes, to keep his craft in a smaller dose, and to stop playing someone else’s game. Michael has a particular view of this one: he and Ka Wai were business partners in the company Ka Wai sold.

This week’s question: who were you five minutes ago, and who do you want to be in the next five?

Tell us on Instagram at @bhtcollective.

In this episode

  • Why every earlier pivot came with a well-paved road, and this one didn’t
  • When being entrepreneurial almost backfires
  • Living in the moment isn’t skydiving
  • 8 hours of work in 20 minutes: building again, with AI tools
  • Running as the one hour that’s just yours
  • Your “shoulds” are often someone else’s rules
  • The messy middle as contraction: making the world smaller until you find your footing
  • One percent better, and allowed to be bad
  • Why the most tense seasons of life turn out to be the most interesting

Chapters

  • 00:00 Intro
  • 02:35 The sale
  • 05:10 A series of life events
  • 13:52 Living in the next five minutes
  • 16:08 Keeping your craft, in a smaller dose
  • 23:01 Playing your own game
  • 27:31 The messy middle
  • 36:14 One percent better
  • 38:14 For anyone not ready to move yet

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