The Messy Middle
Something ended and the next thing hasn’t started. Brian and Michael on the messy middle of a life pivot: why you can’t rush it, why it’s rarely linear, and the tools that kept them steady while they were in it.
EP 03 ·
Common Threads
What Our Two Pivots Shared
Brian and Michael told their life pivot stories in the first two episodes. This week they put them side by side. A house fire, a divorce and eighteen months in between on one side. A dream house he wanted to burn down, a bullet on the walk home from South by Southwest, and a productive midlife crisis on the other. On the surface, nothing alike. Underneath, five threads lined up: disillusionment with the version of success they were living, a run of existential life events, finding stillness to root into, the shift from having more to having less, and the inner-directed wisdom that was there all along.
They also get honest about the two things that were completely different: how long each pivot took, and the very different tools they used to get through it. To close, they sketch the five phases of a life pivot they keep seeing, in their own stories and in other people’s: erosion, a cluster of catalytic events, the breaking point, the in-between, and re-identification.
In this episode
- “A bullet is a good teacher”: learning to say no
- What am I going to do with two pools?
- Why “retirement” is often just the life you’re deferring
- Whatever is on your path is your path
- Stripped down to nothing, or stripped down to everything?
- Why you can’t pivot without uncertainty
- There’s no timeline on a pivot. The only question is whether you’re working on it.
Chapters
- 00:00 Intro
- 00:34 Comparing our two pivot stories
- 02:26 Thread 1: drag vs enjoyment
- 04:04 Thread 2: the events that crack you open
- 06:45 A bullet is a good teacher
- 07:05 Thread 3: finding stillness
- 09:02 Thread 4: from more to less
- 13:08 Done deferring my life
- 14:58 Thread 5: inner-directed wisdom
- 16:02 What was different: duration
- 21:57 Different tools for the same work
- 23:55 Whatever is on your path is your path
- 24:48 The 5 phases · 1: erosion and disillusionment
- 26:40 Phase 2: a cluster of catalytic events
- 27:58 Stripped down to everything
- 28:51 Phase 3: the breaking point
- 32:48 Phase 4: the in-between
- 34:11 Uncertainty is required
- 37:06 Phase 5: re-identification
- 40:17 No timeline on a pivot
- 42:53 Thanks for listening
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Michael’s Story
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Brian’s Story
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